An American Girl's Impressions of Vienna
Okay, so here's the quick and dirty ~ a few impressions of Vienna to be expounded upon in upcoming days, but something to get the complex, swirling, morphing thoughts and feelings about the city and the move out of my head and onto "paper."Truth is, it wasn't love at first sight. I didn't LOVE Vienna the way I was hoping to LOVE Vienna. I never had the "This is THE city for me and feels like home already" experience that would have made the decision to move there a no-brainer.
But I didn't dislike it either. Well, unless you talked to me on Tuesday night, when I was tired from walking all over the city (and London the prior week), and the grocery store clerk sneered at me because I hadn't weighed my oranges before I got in line and I couldn't communicate with her because I don't know enough German, and I felt completely out of my element and out of sorts. In which case, I'd have very clearly told you, as I told my husband that night, "I don't like it. It's dirty, smelly, and unfriendly." (Not the most mature, thoughtful or productive conversation starter, I realize, but in my defense, I was really, really tired.)
Our time in Vienna, short as it was, was a combination of sight-seeing and doing real-life things, like going to the gym, going to the grocery store, eating in the small neighborhood cafe (where no one spoke English), riding the U-Bahn and walking through both tourist and residential areas throughout the city. We also met with an assortment of people that live in Vienna, people from all over the world who have been there anywhere from 2 months to 22 years, some who like the city, love the city, aren't quite sure yet and some who don't like it very much at all. We got lots of practical input on jobs, neighborhoods, rent, being foreigners/immigrants, learning German and we met some really nice, helpful, and supportive people.
My thoughts about Vienna were (and continue to be) more akin to a roller-coaster ride ~ up one minute, down the next, then up again. But if you think about it, this is probably far more realistic and telling about life anywhere, isn't it?
So, a couple of the ups and downs (in no particular order):
Up ~ culture and history abound! Can't walk more than a block without running into an overwhelmingly grand palace or church or theater or a small cafe where great intellectuals once sat and conversed. I find this incredibly fascinating and stimulating.
Down ~ smoking. People really do smoke everywhere. We were able to find seats and tables somewhat apart from smokers when we ate out, but the smell lingers everywhere.
Up ~ bike lanes everywhere. I'm not a biker myself (yet, perhaps), but there are marked biking lanes all over the city and loads of people using them. Rather than being part of the road, as they are in most American cities, the bike lanes are part of the sidewalk and this took a bit to get used to. The "sidewalks" are marked with a bike lane and a walking lane and I, for one, was not used to keeping an eye on where I was supposed to be as a pedestrian, particularly when coming up to a crosswalk. But, my walking skills and ability to pay attention aside, the infrastructure provided for bikers and walkers speaks very highly about a citizenry and culture that is healthy and active (smoking aside).
Down ~ unfriendliness. The individuals we met in Vienna, native Austrians and those from other countries and cultures, were all very friendly. A lot of the service personnel in the cafe's and restaurants and gyms were friendly as well. Now that I'm writing about it, I must admit that it seems that more people were friendly than not, which gives me pause about making the following statement ~ Vienna did not feel like a very friendly city. By this, I mean that people didn't look at me and say "Hi" when I passed them in the street, nobody smiled at me when I sat down next to them on the train, and the grocery store clerks were completely and utterly ambivalent about my presence, except to collect my money (I've been shopping at Trader Joe's in California too long ~ "How are you? How's your day? Find everything you need? Have a great day!"). I'm going to have to think on this one a little more, though.....
This post is getting very long (so much for quick and dirty impressions), so I'm going to break off and share more in bits and pieces as the days go by.
Let me just close by saying that when the time came for us to leave, neither of us wanted to come back to California; we wanted to stay in Vienna.
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hey! i'll write you more later because it's late and ich muss schlafen if you know what i mean. but i'll tell you this--i wasn't so sure about vienna when i first got here, but i love it now. the people are complicated, that's for sure, and some of them are downright ridiculous. but there are also many really amazing austrians/viennese people, and you find them once you spend more time here. it's definitely a different vibe than the us (and i imagine especially california, although the last time i was there i was 8), but extreme friendliness is actually a trait unique to americans--not making eye contact and not initiating conversations is pretty common throughout europe, i've found. so. definitely things to think about, but there are so many redeeming qualities. plus, there's always something to write about when you're surrounded by people as crazy as these.
so glad you finally got to see vienna, mixed feelings or no.
xx kate
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Hey,
I agree with what Kate said - eye contact, randomly saying hello to strangers etc is not common in Europe – I don’t think I have ever had someone say hi to me as I walk past them in the street (except an old man who wanted to tell me about the flowers he was growing) and very rarely have I had someone smile when I sit next to them on public transport. That is not to say they are being unfriendly - that is just how things work there.
I think one of the most difficult things about moving to a new country is judging your new environment through your old set of norms. Once you have spent more time in Vienna and understand how people are and learn more from their perspective, I think you will be feeling more positive about it all.
I made the same mistake with not weighing my fruit when I moved there as well - you look back and laugh about things like that, they are just little rites of passage when settling into a new culture.
As for the language - there is no better way to learn it than by being immersed in it - look at the university of Vienna for courses, they are much cheaper than the language schools. Also IKI which is opposite the Opera house on the Ring Strasse is also a good language school (from my experience) if you did not want to go down the university path.
Anyway, I wish you the best on your adventures! Moving to a new country is not always smooth sailing – there will be tears and many challenges, but it is an amazing experience and a very rewarding one, and if you try and find the positive I think you will find yourself being very happy in your new home.
Vienna is famous for it's unfriendly people and the underpaied staff at the grocery chains are definitly no testimonials for this great city but there are - thank god - exceptions and they, as we all know, confirm the rule :) Ausnahmen bestätigen die Regel. Was great to see you anyhow!
Remember that many other Americans rate New Englanders as "cold" for that same surface reserve that you found in casual contact in Vienna. Another way to look at it is respect for the other individual's private space. I believe centuries of having large populations in small areas gives rise to either a very structured formality in personal interactions or an avoidance of assuming the necessity to interact, even in a casual friendly way, with every single person that you encounter. As you already discovered, that does not mean that in an actual, one on one, meeting the people are not friendly. They might, in fact, be more friendly since they save that emotion for "real" encounters. Just some thoughts.
@infodaisy - my 15+ years as a California resident are showing!
hey, i'm catching up on blogs after returning back from my small trip to england and i just wanted to say...
1. it was lovely to meet you too!
2. i totally understand where you are coming from. i've been here 2 months now and to be honest, i still find the whole thing pretty scary on a daily basis and sometimes just want to run on back to england!
3. but this is an amazing opportunity... and such an adventure
4. if/when you do move here, i'll always be here to listen and help in any way i can :)
(p.s. and guess what, i held up a whole queue of (unhappy looking) people in billa today because i hadn't weighed the tomatoes. whoops).
Hehe, there is NOONE, austrian or not, who hasn't held up a line because of that stupid weighing thing :) Including me.
I'd say that that the friendliness thing really is just a cultural difference that one must get used to.
Europeans in some ways are more unfriendly and rude than Americans but also more honest. Europeans tend not to smile at strangers but if they do it is never just politeness but an honest smile.
Those differences also can be difficult for Europeans to get used to if they go to America. I have heard a lot of stories from Europeans that at first were extremely thrilled with all the friendly Americans and “new best friends” they encountered and then were disappointed that it wasn’t “real” but “fake”. “I call you back later” and “We’ll be in touch” etc are always meant seriously in Europe. If you ask something like “ How are you?” Europeans have been known to tell unsuspecting Americans stories about their horrible cold or the bad week they had at work.
I think this is where the “Americans are superficial and fake” and the “Europeans are extremely rude and unfriendly” stereotype comes from.
I guess it can be difficult to get adjusted if you are used to all the smiling faces . On the other hand, take it like this, if somebody smiles at you or is nice to you, you always can take them by their word, it is absolutely safe to say they are not just being polite but they really like you : )
Hi there,
I am living in Vienna for almost 3 years and I tell you this... Still did not get used to it, I am moving out to Germany-Munich. I've been to Munich some times during the last 5 years and @ ANYCASE people over there seemed much nicer than here in Vienna, even in Tyrol (which is Austria, same country) I got the same impression... I guess Vienna is a little bit towards East... Not that it is bad, but for me I could not handle it anymore, just moving out with my family towards west. :-D I am Brazilian from Rio de Janeiro, so you can see that the difference is HUGE... I just posted here because I found this space so I can share it and at the same time support your impressions somehow. thanks, Carlos Cruz
You Americans are really weird. :p Why should someone say "hi" to a strange on the street or train?
You Americans are really weird. :p Why should someone say "hi" to a stranger on the street or train?
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